After signed Form 8453-FE attached, the signed version doesn't show in the pdf for the E-file

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April 1, 2021
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I've completed the Estate Tax return using "Business" and successfully attached the signed form 8453-FE to the return. At least, TurboTax says I've successfully attached it, as I can view it in the Attachments window. But when I produce the PDF for the E-File only the unsigned version of the form shows up. I want to be sure the IRS gets the signed version when I e-file!

Thanks

TurboTax Business Windows

Best answer by Anonymous_

@BobS21 wrote:

......when I produce the PDF for the E-File only the unsigned version of the form shows up. I want to be sure the IRS gets the signed version when I e-file!

That is perfectly normal and typical behavior; the form in the Forms List is just the unsigned form.

The signed form is (or should be) saved on your computer as a PDF. I would recommend saving the signed, scanned 8453-FE in the same folder (or on the same media) as your .tax file and the PDF from the 1041 you filed.

Anonymous_Answer

Employee

@BobS21 wrote:

......when I produce the PDF for the E-File only the unsigned version of the form shows up. I want to be sure the IRS gets the signed version when I e-file!

That is perfectly normal and typical behavior; the form in the Forms List is just the unsigned form.

joejoe1592

I'm seeing the same problem and your reply doesn't make any sense.

How do I know that TT is actually sending the signed version of 8453-FE if it doesn't show that signed version in the PDF records form?

TT made me print out the 8543-FE form, physically sign-it, scan it into my computer, attach it to TT and then TT programmers are too lazy to make it show up in the permanent record? Sheese. Talk about a lame company!

Anonymous_

Employee

The signed and dated form is saved on your computer,

You simply need to save a copy on some media (e.g., USB flash drive) and/or print it out and save it.

rmfrog1

This same situation occurs with Tax Year 2021. This NEEDS TO BE FIXED!! How am I to tell if the SIGNED 8453 was included in the file transmitted to the IRS when the file saved in the PDF is unsigned??

Anonymous_

Employee

@rmfrog1 wrote:

How am I to tell if the SIGNED 8453 was included in the file transmitted to the IRS when the file saved in the PDF is unsigned??

You can save the PDF on your computer (or other media as a separate file) but how can you tell if you e-filed anything other than the confirmation e-mail from Intuit?

There is no electronic postmark as there is in the TurboTax individual income tax preparation products.

lanstrah

why doesnt signed copy show

Anonymous_

Employee

@lanstrah wrote:

why doesnt signed copy show

You save the signed copy of the 8453-FE on your computer (after you have signed it and scanned it in).

Critter-3

Ok ... the signed PDF copy is attached to the efiled return but it is NOT added to the PDF of the return in the program file... it is not integrated in the program PDF files. It is just that simple ... the only copy in the program PDF will remain unsigned so simply keep the paper copy you signed and uploaded with the paper copy of the return you may have printed out of the program.

stuckinnova

This problem still exists. TT Tech Support says that the 1041 File Package contains the signed Form 8453-FE (the same as shown in file saved in the 'Attachment' under the Tools Pulldown Menu). It is concerning that the 1041 Package available to the user for downloading after the return has been filed with the IRS doesn't show the signed Form 8453-FE but only the unsigned version. Certainly what is available to the user to save for his records is not the same as filed with the IRS, as advertised. I guess that the user will be contacted by the IRS if the actually submitted version of the Form 8453-FE is unsigned, there is an amount due with the return, and the IRS can't get easily collect the money due. We shall see! A nit is that the user instructions are to check that the uploaded signed Form 8453-FE is verified via the 'Attachments' selection in the "Upper Right" portion of the menu bar. Of course, the 'Attachments' selection is buried under the 'Tools' pulldown menu.

mglauner

You really don't need to send the IRS a signed Form 8453, unless some other documents are required to be sent in with it (per the boxes checked on the form).

Here's more info on Form 8453.

@stuckinnova

stuckinnova

Marilyn,

IF Form 8453-FE is not required, except under the conditions you have referenced, then why is there not an option on the TT Business & Trust Program to bypass including that form. Currently, the user must go thru an extended process to create a signed Form 8453-FE (using external resources) and upload it to the TT program so that it can be included in the Fiduciary version of the electronically submitted 1041 package to the IRS.

Thanks, Don