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1099Q and 1098T not tying out

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My Coverdell 1099Q matches what I paid out of pocket … most of which matches what the school says I paid on the 1098T.  My kid also got a scholarship that isn’t included in the amount I paid (as it shouldn’t), but I can’t zero out the tax from the 1099Q without jacking up the expenses well beyond what I paid out of pocket.  It leads me to believe Turbotax is netting the scholarship against the amount out of pocket … which it shouldn’t be doing.  I have used Turbotax for almost 20 years. Anyone else have this problem or does anyone have any thoughts?

    Best answer by Hal_Al

    You can't use tax free scholarships and the ESA distribution to cover the same expenses.  That's double dipping.  The ESA distribution can be used to cover room and board, which usually means the scholarships can cover tuition..

    It gets complicated entering all that in TurboTax (TT).  Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

     

    The 1098-T is also only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return.  You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. 

     

    But, even though your expenses were paid by ESA and/or your student's scholarships; it is still possible to claim a tuition credit, by paying a little tax on the ESA distribution.  Read on for details.

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    Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) and Coverdell ESA

    It’s complicated.

    For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
    The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
    Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

    You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
    But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
    In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

     

    Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
    Example:
      $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

       -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship

       -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

     =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

     

    Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

    Box 2 is $600

    3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

    60%x600= $360

    You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

     

    **Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

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    Hal_Al
    Hal_AlAnswer
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    March 3, 2020

    You can't use tax free scholarships and the ESA distribution to cover the same expenses.  That's double dipping.  The ESA distribution can be used to cover room and board, which usually means the scholarships can cover tuition..

    It gets complicated entering all that in TurboTax (TT).  Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

     

    The 1098-T is also only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return.  You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. 

     

    But, even though your expenses were paid by ESA and/or your student's scholarships; it is still possible to claim a tuition credit, by paying a little tax on the ESA distribution.  Read on for details.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) and Coverdell ESA

    It’s complicated.

    For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
    The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
    Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

    You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
    But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
    In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

     

    Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
    Example:
      $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

       -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship

       -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

     =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

     

    Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

    Box 2 is $600

    3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

    60%x600= $360

    You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

     

    **Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

    March 5, 2020

    Thanks.  Everything ties out manually, so I am not concerned.  I am glad it won’t even show in the return because I fudged it to get it to work.  As I mentioned, TT applied the scholarship to what I had paid out of pocket ... kind of a reverse double dip ... more like a no dip.  Thanks for the tip on the credit while still using the 529.  I will read more about that before doing it.