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April 19, 2021
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529 Distribution Gain - Taxable If I don't Claim my Daughter?

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My understand of 529 Monies is that if you take monies out to pay for qualified educational expenses (Tuition, Room, Board, Books, fees, etc.), the gains on those monies would free of federal taxes.  Full Stop.  

 

My daughter is a full time student at UK and she is a part of a divorced family.  Per legal agreements, I claim her on my taxes.  When I did my taxes this year, I noticed that it seemed that if I claimed her and entered all the 529 information in, the 529 Monies (gains) were not taxed.  As soon as I removed her from my taxes, I was paying taxes on those gains.   None the less, I able legal able to claim her, therefore, I did.

 

Now her mother called me and said that she was being taxed on her 529 Monies (gains) because she cannot claim her (she also has Qualified Educational Expenses related to our daughter - we split her support).  She is working with an account and this is what he told her as well.  Even though I saw something similar when I was using TurboTax, it makes no sense this would be the case.  Take for example a grand parent that was the owner of a 529 account and took out money to support a grandchild.  It's extremely unlikely that grand parent would claim that grandchild...which if my Daughter's mother's accountant were correct, then this grand parent would be paying taxes on the gains too.  This all seems contrary to why 529s exist in the first place. 

 

My questions are:

1.  Do you need to claim a child to get the 529 tax benefit?

2.  Assuming the answer is no, how do you record this in TurboTax?

3.  I saw a related question and it sounded like I may not even need to report my 1099-Q if all the monies were used for Qualified Educational Expenses.  Is this true?  If so...this is the easiest way to deal with this ...not to!

TIA

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    Hal_Al
    Employee
    April 19, 2021

    Q.  Do you need to claim a child to get the 529 tax benefit?

    A. No

     

    Q.   Assuming the answer is no, how do you record this in TurboTax?

    A.  After entering the 1099-Q and stating that the beneficiary is someone not on your return, you will be given a screen to enter the expenses.  The interview is actually simpler with a non dependent beneficiary. If the student is your dependent, you have to enter expenses in a different place. This probably explains why you're getting on/off results.

     

    Q.  I may not even need to report my 1099-Q if all the monies were used for Qualified Educational Expenses.  Is this true?  

    A. Yes.  You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. 

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

     

    You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for the other parent to claim the tuition credit and/or claim his/her 529 distribution as non taxable. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

     

    There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

    1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
    2. Use them to claim an education credit
    3. Allocate them to the 529 distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable or two 529 distributions, in your case.

    If there are not enough expenses to do all three (four in your case), you have to allocate the expenses to the various tax breaks.  This usually requires using workarounds in TurboTax. 

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    Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

    General Discussion

    It’s complicated.

    For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent, but can be two parents), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
    The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
    Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

    You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
    But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
    In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

     

    Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
    Example:
      $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

       -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

       -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

     =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q 

     

    Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

    Box 2 is $2800

    3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

    40% x 2800= $1120

    You have $1120 of taxable income  

     

    **Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

    ***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.