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529 plan, AOTC, and 1098-Q send to parent and student

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My daughter is a full time student at one school, also took classes toward her degree at a second one.  We got a 1098-T only for her full time school.   And the expenses were split in a kind of random way into two 1098-Q forms, one that went to the parent and one to the student.  (This happened due to covid house refunds.) 

My daughter got a $2k scholarship.

 

Based on my understanding of the tax rules our best strategy is the following breakdown:

 

$2150 in expenses allocated to AOTC

$10k allocated to tax free 529

$2k allocated to taxable 529 (because of scholarship)

 

So if that's right, how do I force TurboTax to limit the AOTC amount to $2150 in costs ($2037.5 in credit, I think)?  It just wants to take it all.  Can I enter part of the total from the two 1099-Q forms on my (parental) tax return?  (That is, the total of the two forms minus 2150?)  That would leave $2150 for TurbotTax to apply to the AOTC.    But what about the expenses for which there's no form (books, and the school with no form)? 

 

I assume I want the $2k taxed on her return, I do it again?  Enter the 1098-T there and then the offsetting 529 expenses, the ATOC claimed? 

 

    Best answer by Hal_Al

    Yes, the $1800 was based on box2 of the 1099-q. 

     

    So the final question then about the details with turbo tax:

     

    On my taxes I report the 1098-T and take the ATOC.   I ignore the 1099-Q? 

     

    On my daugther's taxes I report just the taxable part of the 529 distribution?  Do I just figure out what that number is from my records and put it somewhere?   Where?    (And how do I enter the earnings/basis info for this?)

     


     

    Q.  On my taxes I report the 1098-T and take the ATOC?

    A.  Yes

    Q.  I ignore the 1099-Q on my return,

    A.   Yes

     

    Q.  On my daughter's taxes I report just the taxable part of the 529 distribution?

    A.  Yes

    Q.. Do I just figure out what that number is from my records and put it somewhere?

    A. Yes, since you have already done all the work.   The normal  way to do is enter the 1099-Q, the 1098-T, expenses and adjustments and let TT do the calcs.  But, mistakes can and frequently do happen. 

    Q. Where?

    A. In TurboTax (TT), enter at:
    - Federal Taxes tab (Personal in  Home & Business)

     - Wages & Income

    Scroll down to:

      -Less Common Income

          -Misc Income, 1099-A, 1099-C

           - On the next screen, choose – Other reportable income  

           - On the next screen, click yes

           - On the next screen, you'll get blanks to enter the amount ($1800?) and a description "Qual Tuition Prgm from 1099-Q".  TT will put in on line 8, schedule 1, Other Income

     

    Keep your notes and calculations, in case of an IRS inquiry.

     

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    March 10, 2021

    Did you have any 'out of pocket' Education Expenses that were not covered by Scholarships or 529 distributions?  If not, you don't qualify for an Education Credit and don't need to enter either the 1098-T or 1099-Q in your return. 

     

    If 529 Distributions were only used for Qualified Education Expenses (which would include room and board), you don't need to enter the 1099-Q in your return.  Click this link for more info on Form 1099-Q

     

    If you believe that your daughter has Taxable Scholarship Income, enter the 1098-T's and 1099-Q on her return.  

     

    You can enter Education Expenses not reported on a 1098-T (save your receipts), such as Tuition, Books, etc.  Just enter the school info and indicate that 'you didn't receive a 1098-T'

     

    The AOC credit amount is equal to:

    • 100% of the first $2,000 of qualified expenses, plus
    • 25% of the expenses in excess of $2,000.

    Review the Student Information Worksheet to see how the credit is calculated. 

     

    Since we can't see your tax return in this forum, you may want to request an Offline Review if you need more help. 

     

     

     

     

    adrianvAuthor
    March 10, 2021

    My expense breakdown looks something like this:

     

    $11000 tuition to full time school (from 1098-T)
    $2000 tuition to other school (no 1098-T received)
    $400 books

    $13400 total

     

    And then payments:

    $2000 scholarship

    $11250 from 529 plan

     

    I have been reading that I can choose how to allocate expenses, so we paid $11250 toward total expenses of $13400.   That leaves $2150 we didn't cover.   And then the scholarship.  It sounds like you're saying we cannot choose to allocate things this way?  

     

    If there were no scholarship then with $11250 paid from the 529 we'd have $2150 left over for the AOTC.  With the scholarship I've been reading you can take out the amount of the scholarship as taxable income from the 529.  Is that not true then if you are using the AOTC? 

    KrisD15
    March 10, 2021

    It is true that you can allocate an unrestricted (not ear-marked for anything in particular) scholarship to expenses other than tuition and use the freed-up expenses towards a credit, but the other expenses must be education related. 

     

    Education expenses, such as tuition, fees, books, and supplies can be used towards a credit. 

     

    Other education expenses include Room and Board. 

     

    If you allocate the scholarships to the tuition, the scholarships are tax-free. 

    If you allocate the scholarships to the room and board, the scholarships become taxable income for the student. 

     

    This could be beneficial if it freed up expenses for the credit, HOWEVER in your case, the 529 distribution is allocated to the room and board. 

     

    The student can't "Just Decide" to claim the scholarships as income. The funds must be allocated to SOMETHING related to education, whether taxable or not. 

     

    Depending on when you received the refund, it could be re-deposited back into the 529 account. 

    If the Room and Board refund was because the student needed to attend school online, you can add the room and board expense incurred while she was at home. You still had to pay for a roof over her head, internet access and meals I assume. 

     

     

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    Hal_Al
    Employee
    March 10, 2021

    Usually you allocate $4000 to AOTC. That gets you the maximum AOTC. Although the first $2000 does get you the most benefit. 

    Then you allocate as much as is needed to the 529.

    Only allocate to scholarships whatever is left over, since the student will pay little or no tax on taxable scholarship because of  a larger standard deduction for scholarship income.

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    Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

    General Discussion

    It’s complicated.

    For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
    The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
    Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

    You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
    But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
    In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

     

    Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
    Example:
      $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

       -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

       -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

     =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

     

    Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

    Box 2 is $600

    3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

    60%x600= $360

    You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

     

    **Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

    ***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.

    Hal_Al
    Employee
    March 10, 2021

    @KrisD15 said: "The student can't "Just Decide" to claim the scholarships as income. The funds must be allocated to SOMETHING related to education, whether taxable or not". 

     

    Yes, he can, as long as the conditions of the grant don't require the scholarship  be used for tuition and other qualified expenses (books and fees).

     

    From the 2019 form 1040 instructions (pg 95): “You may be able to increase an education credit if the student chooses to include all or part of a Pell grant or certain other scholarships or fellowships in income. For more information, see Pub. 970, the instructions for Form 1040, line 18c, and IRS.gov/EdCredit.  Page 16 of PUB 970 (2019) actually has examples of how to do the “loop hole”.

    Hal_Al
    Employee
    March 10, 2021

    Room and board and computers  are qualified expenses for a 529 plan.  If the student lives at home, you can use your actual food cost or the school's meal allowance.  In your case, prorate it for the 1 month.

     

    Come up with a room & board amount and then let's allocate the numbers.  

     

    Are you saying, for sure, that the $2000 scholarship was required to be applied to tuition?

     

    Your accounting is basically correct, except that it does not contain amounts for room and board.