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March 2, 2020
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Entering 1099-Q in turbotax

  • March 2, 2020
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I received distributions from a 529 plan, and all the money went to qualified education expenses (tuition, rent, food, etc.). If the $12k distribution is less than the $15k adjusted qualified expenses (total qualified expenses minus scholarship) .. do I have to enter 1099Q info in turbox .. or can I skip that section and just keep the documentation in file in case of audit? I wish the turbotax section made this clear.

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mike740Author
March 2, 2020

Also, do I need to document every off campus qualified housing expense .. or can I just use the published university cost for room/board, as long as below that amount? We are well under the published amount.

March 2, 2020

room and board is the lower of actual or what the school publishes.  So you have to document which one you used (and have some receipts / cancelled checks / bank statements!).

 

I assume from your post that you are not a dependent of your parents.  That would change the answer. 

 

do you have any other taxable income? why are you not taking the AOTC credit? 

 

with the caveat that those questions are outstanding, if Box 1 on the 1099Q is less than your qualifying expenses, just keep the records that document your approach stored away as there is no need to submit the 1099Q on your tax return/. 

mike740Author
March 2, 2020

Actually I am a dependent on my parent's income, so I can't take the credit. I had $8,500 in wage income plus $600 in interest earned on Series EE bonds as my total income. The 529 money was from grandparents, and 100% was spent on school expenses. I'll just have to document.

Hal_Al
Employee
March 6, 2020

@mike740 You do not need to enter the 1099-Q, at all.  If your (or your student-beneficiary) has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

 

But, you may want to pay a little tax on the distribution, so that your parents can claim the tuition credit.  Read on for a full explanation.

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans)

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $600

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

60%x600= $360

You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

March 7, 2021

Hello -- good discussion on 1099-Q. 

I ran into a strange scenario when entering 1099-Q info for my 2020 return.  My federal tax refund DECREASED when I entered a (non-zero) value for box 2 earnings.  Why did this happen?  All of the 529 distributions (box 1) are for qualified educational expenses.  I was expecting that entering form 1099-Q info shouldn't have affected my federal refund at all.  Is it a bug?

 

Because of this, I am not entering any info for 1099-Q this year.

Hal_Al
Employee
March 7, 2021

@Robert99Peters  There's no bug.  The details are just too complicated.  You have to get all the entries "just right".

You used the right solution,.

February 3, 2022

1099-Q - 1 = $7,563    2 = $0   3 = $0    5 = CESA    FVM 12/31/2021 = #13,897.13

 

I have a question about the next page on the CESA section.  It asks 3 questions.

1) Contributions for 2021 = $0

2) Basis as of 12/31/2020 = ???

3) Total value as of 12/31/2021 = $13,897

 

This was an account set up by my grandmother many years ago and who is now deceased.  I have no clue what to put as the basis (#2).  This is the first year I am taking a distribution for college expenses.  Is the value for the Basis just adding the value now plus the value of the distribution?  $13,897 + $7,563 = $21,460

Hal_Al
Employee
February 3, 2022

Q. Is the value for the Basis just adding the value now plus the value of the distribution?  $13,897 + $7,563 = $21,460? 

A. No.

 

The basis is the money your grandma put into the account.  You get that from your own records.  The plan administrator MAY be able to provide some help.

 

If the $7563 distribution was totally  used for qualified expenses, you can just not enter the 1099-Q.  None of it is taxable regardless of what your basis is.

 

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."