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September 26, 2019
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Scholarship exceeds tuition: How to allocate it best? Can either of us take education credit?

  • September 26, 2019
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Hi,

I would appreciate any advice on this; tried posting already but it didn't go through.

 

My daughter graduated last year and got a job.  She's filing her own taxes, but we are declaring her as a dependent for the year.  Her scholarship last year exceeded her qualified tuition and related expenses on Form 1098T by over $3000.  It covered not only tuition and educations expenses, but also a share of room and board.  In addition, she spent a few hundred dollars on books and other supplies. 

 

My questions are:

1) I understand that she must declare excess scholarship income, but there were some instructions saying that perhaps the scholarship could be allocated between tuition and room and board to be most advantageous.  How can we do that?  I can't figure it out from the instructions.

2) Can we, her parents, still take the AOTC?  Who takes it, and how do we figure out how much to take?

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Carl11_2
Employee
September 26, 2019

My daughter graduated last year and got a job.

By "last year" I assume you mean 2018. Since she had a job, if she has more than $4,100 of taxable income for the year, you need to be careful here. You may not meet all of the requirements to claim her as a dependent on your 2018 tax return.  To claim her as a dependent:

 - She must have been enrolled as a full time student for any one semester that started in the tax year for at least 5 months. If she graduated on May 1st, then you get to count the entire month of May.

 - She must *NOT* have provided more than 50% of her own support for the *entire* year. (Scholarships, grants, 529 funds, gifts from Aunt Mary do not count for the student providing their own support.)

- She must be *UNDER* the age of 24 on Dec 31 of the tax year.

Take special note that there is no requirement for the parents to provide any support. Not one penny. The support requirement is on the student. A concern here is that she may "in fact" have provided more than half of her own support for the entire year, if she got a job right after graduation.

 

 

Her scholarship last year exceeded her qualified tuition and related expenses on Form 1098T by over $3000.

Then there's no question that your daughter will report all education expenses on her own tax return. The excess scholarship money not used for qualified education expenses will be taxable income to your daughter. She will pay taxes on the excess - not you.

It covered not only tuition and educations expenses, but also a share of room and board. In addition, she spent a few hundred dollars on books and other supplies.

Scholarships can only be used for the qualified education expenses of tuition, lab fees and books. That's it. Any scholarship money used for anyting else, including room & board is taxable income to the student.

Now grants are different. The rules on what a grant can be used for are the same as for a scholarship, unless specifically and explicitly stated otherwise in the grant award letter. So grant money can be used for room and board if the aware letter specifically and explicitly states that category as one the money is intended for.

 

 

1) I understand that she must declare excess scholarship income, but there were some instructions saying that perhaps the scholarship could be allocated between tuition and room and board to be most advantageous. How can we do that? I can't figure it out from the instructions.

Only 529 funds and grants specifically designated in the award letter for room & board can be used for room and board. So if there are no 529 funds involved and you don't have a grant letter authorizing it's use for R&B, this is a moot point.

Hey @Critter did I miss something here on the work-around for the AOTC? Please jump in if so.

 

2) Can we, her parents, still take the AOTC? Who takes it, and how do we figure out how much to take?

If she qualifies to be claimed as your dependent and you actually claim her as your dependent, then you can claim the AOTC provided it has not already been claimed in the four previous calendar years. Remember, schools work in academic years while the IRS works in calendar years. So the reality is, it takes you five calendar years to get that four year degree. If she graduated in 2018, then that was most likely her 5th calendar year. If the AOTC was already claimed in the previous 4 calendar years, you can't claim it again.

However, the Lifetime Learning Credit can be claimed.

If you do not claim your daughter as a dependent, then you can not claim the AOTC or LLC. In such a case, your daughter can claim the one she qualifies for, provided she is not claimed as a dependent on anyone else's tax return.

Finally, please wait for @Critter to see if he jumps in here. He knows something about a loophole for the AOTC that I don't. It may or may not apply to you. Basically, if the AOTC has already been claimed in each of her first four years of college, then you can forget it because it can't be claimed again.

Hal_Al
Employee
September 30, 2019

 There is a tax “loophole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American opportunity credit, as income on his return. That way, the parents  (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship.  You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.

Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 2. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.

 

You essentially have to use a work around in TurboTax (TT). Here's how I would do it. Enter the 1098-T, on your return, but only enter $4000 in box 2. No other numbers. You only enter the 1098-T to get TurboTax to check the proper box on form 8863. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS.

Enter the 1098-T, exactly as received, on the student's return. In his interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000. That will put all his excess scholarship as income on his return.  

Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s . The alternate workaround is  to enter $4000 less than the actual box 1  amount, when you enter the 1098-T on the student's return or $4000 more in the box 5 amount.

February 1, 2022

Hi,

Would you please tell me how to do it for my situation? I'm the student filling married jointly. I have 12k in box 5 and 4k is in box 1. Our income 45k - from my husband’s job. I would like to claim educational credits if possible, all examples are for parents claiming their kids 1098-t. TIA

February 1, 2022

To enter your 1098-T click the following:

  • Federal
  • Deductions and Credits
  • Show More next to Education
  • Start next to Expenses and Scholarships

TurboTax will calculate your education credits as you walk through the education section and answer your questions.

 

Does your scholarship exceed your expenses?  If so, the excess becomes taxable income. As you continue through the questions, TurboTax will calculate the portion of your scholarship that is taxable.

 

There is nothing special you need to do since you are married filing a joint return.  You will simply walk through, enter your 1098-T and answer the rest of the education questions. 

 

 

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February 1, 2022

Hi, so I don't have to do the "loophole" or change the amounts on the 1098-t? I did enter it that way and I couldn't claim the education credit.

April 14, 2022

Hello, I am the parent of a college student whose 1098-T shows more grant money than tuition; however, this is a need-based grant that was also awarded to meet full financial need (including room and board). 

The grant money exceeds the stated billed amount by about $3k. We also had 529 distributions (used for educational expenses). 

We claim my daughter as a dependent. TurboTax walked me through some scenarios where I could allocate that our (parent) out-of-pocket expenses went to tuition, and the school grant partially paid room and board (not untrue) to qualify for the AOTC.

 

The problem arises when I input the 1098 info in my student’s taxes (TurboTax asks for this). She only made $700 from a summer job W2. Grant money was $3k above tuition. TurboTax is taking all 529 distributions and taxing it, plus taxing the 1098-T numbers on my daughter’s return. (Saying she owes over $2,000 in federal tax). 

This can’t be. At best, she made $3700 (grant excess plus job). Moreover, I think we may already have paid unnecessary taxes on these 529 distributions. Since when are they taxable income? Any help would be appreciated! 

Hal_Al
Employee
April 14, 2022

@Working_on_it 

 $700 from a summer job W2 and $3K grant money is not enough for her to file a tax return.  She can just not file. 

The TT interview is complicated. What you're experiencing is not unusual.  

If you want to continue, Provide the following info and I'll verify your conclusion  and try to give you step by step instructions:

  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. 
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
April 14, 2022

Thank you so much for your valuable assistance! I don’t want to mess this up and affect her financial aid award for next year.

 

  • Box 1 of the 1098-T: $29,978.50
  • box 5 of the 1098-T: $32,695.00
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5: N/A
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not): No
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition: No
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q: $7,662
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q: $1,961.38
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?: student
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. : We were charged $9,662 for room/board. The grant is given to cover the full cost of attendance *after* the family’s ability to pay is considered. So for tuition plus room/board (the school does not differentiate or restrict), we paid out of pocket roughly $6500 in 2021. This was for actual billed expenses (tuition/on-campus room/board).
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers: $1500
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?: Full-time undergrad. 

    Thank you again, sincerely.