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March 2, 2021
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Why does TurboTax continue to fail in handling 1099-Q and qualified 529 distributions?!!

  • March 2, 2021
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In 2019 I had to go into forms to override the TT errors that taxed the gross distributions for a qualified institution expense as income - if I didn't notice the taxes owed increase/error  I would have Stupidly paid $3,000 more in taxes because of TurboTax.   2020 Deluxe - same exact problem, error, and frustration.   Is the only way to correct the bad TT process, to go into Forms and correct??

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    March 2, 2021

    I have found the best way to treat the 1099-Q distribution in TurboTax is to enter the distribution first, then enter your form 1098-T expenses and scholarship income. That way, you will be asked to enter your room and board expenses, which may not appear if you enter your form 1098-T expenses first.

     

    If you enter things in this order, your income reported on your 1099-Q should be properly accounted for in TurboTax.

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    May 16, 2021

    What if the 1098-T and the 1099-Q forms are on separate tax filings (parents / child)?  How would you resolve this issue in this scenario?  (We paid my son's college expenses for 2020 and so we have entered the 1098-T under our taxes.  I am entering the 1099-Qs (2) on his taxes as his SSN is on these two forms as the "recipient".  Upon entering the 1099-Qs on his taxes, it appears to report the amounts from these forms (or a portion of them) as taxable income.  Our qualified expenses on the 1098-T are significantly higher (more than double) than the combined 1099-Qs amounts, yet his taxes reflect that he is having to pay taxes?  This doesn't seem correct.  Any thoughts?  I am happy to share exact numbers of more details if needed.  Also, we had already had 4 years of the AOTC so our taxes reflect a $2000 tuition credit if that helps.  Thank you for any advice you can offer.

    May 16, 2021

    I'm not a tax expert/professional. I just noticed that when I entered the data, the tax refund dropped. This shouldn't have happened because I already paid the tax on that income and the gains are tax free when used for approved college expenses, which they were. So I knew something was wrong. After a lot of searching, I discovered this is a known problem with TurboTax. I also discovered it got it wrong last year and filed an amended return. I'm not happy TurboTax didn't get me the maximum refund like they advertise. I just checked all the guarantees and there seem to be just enough weasel words to avoid any refund unless switching to another tax package that actually gets this correct. Ain't nobody got time for that! Maybe next year.

    Hal_Al
    Employee
    March 2, 2021

    You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records.

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

     

    It's a complicated situation and the interview, by necessity, is complicated. But when the info is entered correctly, TT does handle it correctly. But, it's a good idea to review the worksheets and may actually be easier to make the corrections there, as you did (not available to online users).  In particular,  TurboTax usually  assumes you will claim a Tuition credit. So it reduces the amount used for the earnings exclusion, on the 1099-Q, for the amount used for the credit. When you get to the screen, in the interview,  titled “Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit”, verify the amount you want to use or change it.

     

    You are not allowed to double dip. You cannot claim expenses for the 529 distribution that were used for the tuition credit or were covered by tax free scholarship. Sometimes part of the 529 distribution ends up being taxable, even though it's the same amount as the expenses.

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    Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

    General Discussion

    It’s complicated.

    For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
    The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
    Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

    You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
    But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
    In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

     

    Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
    Example:
      $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

       -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

       -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

     =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

     

    Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

    Box 2 is $600

    3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

    60%x600= $360

    You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

     

    **Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

    ***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

    May 16, 2021

    We paid my son's college expenses for 2020 and have entered the 1098-Ts (2) under our taxes.  I am entering the 1099-Qs (2) on his taxes as his SSN is on these forms as the "recipient".  Upon entering the 1099-Qs on his taxes, it appears to report the amounts from these forms (or a portion of them) as taxable income.  The 1098-T qualified expenses are significantly higher (double) than the combined 1099-Qs amounts, yet his taxes reflect that he is having to pay taxes?  This doesn't seem correct.  Any thoughts?  I am happy to share exact numbers of more details if needed.  Also, we had already had 4 years of the AOTC so our taxes reflect a $2000 tuition credit if that helps.  Thank you for any advice you can offer.

    April 17, 2021

    Crazy! Same thing just happened to me. Had already entered 1098-T and then entered 1099-Q. The 529 contributions were already taxed and all distributions were used for tuition. TurboTax mis-calculated and increased taxes and reduced refund. This is clearly not correct. I went from getting a substantial refund to owing money. Called TurboTax and they said to enter 1098-T and delete 1099-Q. This is BS. I've been a TurboTax user every single year since the 80's and since I switched to TurboTax on-line, the product has gotten worse every year. Way more clicks and useless screens of information to navigate through that add no value other than trying to extract more money from my pocket for Intuit.

     

    I'll bet many less astute customers are over paying taxes due to this.

    May 17, 2021

    Ugh. I have spent the last two hours dealing with this. My son had some income in 2020 so we used TT to work on his returns which asked for the 1099-Q info (of which he is the beneficiary because Fidelity paid the school directly) but it prevented him from entering college expenses because he is a dependent on our taxes. The result was that he had an additional "$2,000" in income that he owes taxes on according to TT - which makes no sense at all. 

    Hal_Al
    Employee
    May 17, 2021

    @dfell12  Being a dependent should not have prevented him from entering his expenses.  It only prevents him from claiming a credit or deduction.

    In TurboTax (TT), enter at:

    Federal Taxes Tab (Personal for H&B version)

    Deductions & Credits

    -Scroll down to:

    --Education

      --Education Expenses

     

      You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

    On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

     

    You can do a quick estimate to see if you even need to enter the 1099-Q. 

    Example:
      $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

       -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship

       -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

     =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

     

    Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

    Box 2 is $2800

    3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

    40% x 2800= $1120

    You have $1120 of taxable income  

     

     

     

    May 17, 2021

    Thanks. Here is what I ran into on the TT screen. Let me know what the workaround is to enter education expenses because I couldn't find one. 

     

    February 2, 2022

    Hello, I have 3 kids in college with 1099-q. Why does turbo tax allow me to put the 1099q on our return and let’s me choose what child it goes for when TurboTax says in its help menu that 1099-q must go on the students return due to the ss number. It is easier this way as expenses are already documented. 

    also I read on this thread that you can  have the 1098t on both the parents and the students return to correctly enter the 1099-q if they 1098-t is on the parents return??? 

    thanks for your help. 

    Hal_Al
    Employee
    February 2, 2022

    @abcdefghijk  said "also I read on this thread that you can  have the 1098t on both the parents and the students return to correctly enter the 1099-q if they 1098-t is on the parents return"

     

    Yes, but not exactly.  The 1099-Q can only be reported on the recipient's return* (see above for definition of recipient).  The 1098-T can go on both returns, but must be adjusted for amounts used on the first return.  If there are sufficient expenses, the 1099-Q does not need to be reported at all (see details above).

     

    *In TurboTax (TT), you can enter the 1099-Q on the parents return, even when the student is the recipient.  TT will then inform you you need to need to enter on the student's return. 

    February 2, 2022

    Thanks so much…. But Why does turbo tax allow me to enter 1099-q for my student even choosing their name though on our return? Is says it this 1099-q for child A? And I say yes and choose the correct name on our return… confusing 

    April 9, 2022

    Still broken in 2022 for 2021 tax year. If 1099-Q was for qualified tuition expenses watch carefully if you enter it as it will likely incorrectly reduce you refund.

     

    Intuit, please fix this or at least provide guidance in the product when and where we are entering this info. Would prefer you spend more time getting the taxes right than trying to up-sell us on the more expensive version.

    April 9, 2022

    The thing is with the 1099-Q, it does not have to be reported.   Funds distributed from a 529 Plan, will be reported by the bank on a Form 1099-Q.   The 1099-Q is sent to the owner/recipient of the 529 Plan funds.   The Form 1099-Q is to be reported as income if they were not used to pay qualified college tuition/ expenses.    If the amount reported on the 1099-Q were used to cover qualified college tuition/expenses you do not need to report the income.  If the amount exceeds the amount of college tuition/ expenses then the excess needs to be reported as other income on your 1040.   

     

    This is true for the 1098-T, if you are not eligible for the 1098-T because you took a distribution from a 529 Plan to cover your tuition/expenses, room and board, books, etc. then you do not need to report the 1098-T on your return.  

     

    To determine whether or not you need to report the 1099-Q and/or 1098-T, if the 1099-Q distribution is enough to cover the tuition in Box 1 and the room and board, other expenses you do not have to report either form as you would not be eligible for the 1098-T.   We now have to determine how the amount of scholarships may affect the outcome.   Subtract the amount of scholarships/grants in Box 5 of the 1098-T from the amount in Box 1.   Is this amount plus the room and board and other qualified expenses still equal to or more than the amount of the 1099-Q?   If so, you do not have to report the 1099-Q or the 1098-T.   

     

    On the other hand, if the amount in Box 1 is less than the amount in Box 5 where there is an excess of scholarship funds you may have to report this excess as income.   If the tuition/expenses and the room and board and other qualified expenses are still equal to or more than the total amount of the 529 distribution you are still good and do not have to report either document unless there is enough excess that you may still qualify for the tuition credit.    Now if the amount ends up being less than the 529 distribution, then you have to report this excess as income on your tax return.   This can be done by adding the amount on Line 8f of Schedule 1 (other income) or you can enter the 1099Q and the 1098-T.   If you choose to enter the forms, make sure you add the cost of room and board and other eligible education expenses.   Qualified expenses are amounts paid for tuition, fees, and other related expense for an eligible student that are required for enrollment or attendance at an eligible educational institution.

    April 13, 2022

    I spent some time googling users' comments on the way TurboTax (erroneously) handles the central issue -- i.e., calculating a student's tax based on the assumption that his/her parents claimed an education credit even where the parents weren't eligible for, and thus didn't take, the credit -- and it seems this same glitch has existed for a few years now.  For the life of me I can't understand why they don't just fix it.  TT is a solid program overall and it's able to handle issues that seem far more complex than this, so I'm not sure what the underlying problem is.  I empathize with the TT personnel who have to deal with this same issue year after year -- they are in a tough spot, and make valiant efforts to reverse engineer a solution (e.g., "just don't enter the 1099-Q" or "just don't enter the 1098-T" or "enter the 1099-Q, but then override the figures in the worksheet in order to get the correct result") when life would be so much easier if TT simply wrote some new code and added a question or two to the interview to determine whether any education credits were ACTUALLY TAKEN.  I'll continue using TT, but I'm disappointed that they haven't fixed a problem that's been brought to their attention multiple times.  

    April 14, 2022

    Perhaps TT doesn't ask you if the parents took it or not because it doesn't matter.  As long as the student has a parent alive they don't qualify for the full credit (except in some rare circumstances where they truly provide their own support)

    it's not a glitch.  It's the tax law.  The authors of the tax law intentionally wrote it so that parents who don't qualify to take the credit can't simply pass it on to their children.  One of these days, the IRS is going to ask for all of that money back that you weren't supposed to take.  

    February 19, 2023

    Having problems with this STILL in Feb. 2023 😞

    I have to include the 1099-Q because of how our state handle the 529 distributions.

    Hope I can figure it our.

    Hal_Al
    Employee
    February 19, 2023

    "I have to include the 1099-Q because of how our state handle the 529 distributions."

     

    What state? And what is it that you think the state wants?

    March 22, 2023
    Alternative 1
    1. Go to Forms
    2. Open up Student Information Worksheet (found under Dependent Worksheet)
    3. Go to Part VIII Line 2h - first column
    4. Enter amount that is on Line 2h in the second column
    5. Problem should now be fixed and the 1099-Q distribution should not be taxed
    Alternative 2
    1. Go to Forms
    2. Delete the Form 1099-Q Worksheet (Form 1099-Q Summary will still be there)
    3. Problem should now be fixed and the 1099-Q distribution should not be taxed
    Alternative 3
     
    Do not report the 1099-Q in Turbo Tax.  It is not required and is just an informational form.  Form 1098-T is also just informational.  (1099-Q distribution only needs to be reported if it is not for qualified tuition expenses.)
     
     
    March 30, 2023

    There are multiple ways to work around this, but I think it's easy enough to have the software address this correctly if the information is entered as there are times when it is required.  I'm having the same issue with the tax being figured incorrectly.  In my case, the root cause appears to be the education tax credits and what happens if you don't qualify because of your income.  The software appears to first attempt to see if you qualify for a tax credit because it's more beneficial, so far so good.  The problem seems to be that once the tax credit is disqualified, turbotax doesn't use the tuition (and it shouldn't if you have a tax credit) in the 1099-Q calculation so it underrepresents your deductions, says you took an excessive distribution from your 529 and therefore owe taxes.  This is a very simple code fix, which with any luck turbotax will undertake.

    March 30, 2023

    If you know that your 1099-Q distribution was used for Education Expenses, you are not required to enter it.  Particularly, if you also know that you don't qualify for a credit.  In that instance, you also don't need to enter the 1098-T either.

     

    Here's more info about Form 1099-Q.

     

    The calculations become more complicated when there is a 1099-Q distribution that partly covers expenses, and also scholarship/grant income, and the AOTC is also desired.  You can delete the Student Info Worksheet to remove all calculations that are causing an issue.

     

    @cabb2000 

     

     

     

     

     

     

    March 30, 2023

    Thanks.  Limits are always changing as are tax rules.  I chose turbotax so that I don't have to do that research.  I can count on turbotax to do it for me.