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February 8, 2025
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1040-SR line 34 shows a refund of 1805 & line 35a shows a 1802 refund. Line 38 shows a 3 estimated tax penalty. If a refund is due why is there an under payment penalty?

  • February 8, 2025
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    Best answer by KeshaH

    It's possible to have an underpayment penalty even if you're due a refund if you made estimated payments but the payments weren't made by the quarterly due dates. Check the dates that your payments were made to ensure that they were paid by the due date. 

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    KeshaHAnswer
    February 8, 2025

    It's possible to have an underpayment penalty even if you're due a refund if you made estimated payments but the payments weren't made by the quarterly due dates. Check the dates that your payments were made to ensure that they were paid by the due date. 

    rod4Author
    February 8, 2025

    Thanks KeshaH! That's exactly what it is. It drives me nuts that the second "quarter" is only 2 months and the 4th is 4 months. My brain doesn't work that way, so I pay at the end of the true quarter. Well, $3 isn't much of a penalty for my on peace of mind. Thanks!

    SteamTrain
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    February 8, 2025

    @rod4 

     

    That can happen if you made a large estimated tax payment in (usually) the last estimated payment of the year....even if you overpaid by a million $$.

     

    For $3 I wouldn't worry about it, but an explanation follows.

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    Say, you receive Huge Mutual fund distributions in December (this year they were big), and you made a final

    4th Qtr Estimated payment to cover its taxes.

     

    Thing is, the forms you entered for everything...they did not specify when the $$ were received.  A such, the background default calculation assumes all your income, W-2, 1099-R, 1099-DIV, 1099-INT etc etc, was received evenly over the entire year.  Thus it may think you underpaid for the first 3 quarters....at least with the initial background default calc.

     

    the solution to this to get the penalty reduced, or eliminated is to go to the "Other Tax Situations" page in the Federal section, and find the "Underpayment Penalty" area and go thru the interview/calculations there to prepare the form 2201/2210AI "Annualized Income" calculations.  Those clacs let you define exactly which qtrs, ALL your various sources of income occurred during the year.  Problem is, that takes a LOT of work with all your account statements for the entire year. Having done it once , I won't bother doing it again for a penalty less than ~$50, and if over that, I might have to think about it.

     

    Of course, if your extra high income occurred in the first or second qtr, working thru those forms might not help any....especially if you paid the estimated tax late in the year.

     

    $3???  Pffft!   Move on with your life.

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    ....unless you are intrigued, and if using the "Desktop", make a second backup copy of your tax file, and play with that backup copy to see what is required...so you don't mess up your original.

    ____________*Answers are correct to the best of my knowledge when posted, but should not be considered to be legal or official tax advice.*
    rod4Author
    February 8, 2025

    Hey SteamTrain! Thanks for your response. Yes, I agree, a $3 penalty isn't a big deal, but I wanted to understand why. In my particular case, there wasn't a large chunk of $ that came in at 1 time, I just have trouble w/ the payments being due after 3 months, 2 months, 3 months, and then 4 months, so I do all of mine after 3 months. Again, a $3 penalty is good for my own peace of mind. Thanks!