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SSTB effect on QBI deduction and losses carry forward?

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My own business is capital market trading in my own account as I don’t trade either for others or provides services in this field.

 

Q: Most of examples shown by TT is for service part, such as lawyers, accountants etc. My assumption is this trading is SSTB activity, even though I don't provide any services?

 

Q: Does it matter how this trade or is this trading without 475 election effect answer to  SSTB?

 

I do own partnerships K1 entities. These are public traded pipeline partnerships and I am a passive investor so there is no overlap in terms of business.

 

Q: Where on Tax return one has to check YES  regarding one’s  business activity is labelled as SSTB?

 

I have seen at 2 places.

One is on Sch C, once you fill out business expenses interview then TT ask you if you does this business receive income from specified services (SSTB)?

2nd place is I have seen it on K1 interview almost towards end.

 

Is there any other place either TurboTax Interview or Forms?  or do I have click Yes to SSTB every where  like in Sch C and each and every k1 interview or Sch C alone is fine?

    Best answer by Mike9241

    Q: Most of examples shown by TT is for service part, such as lawyers, accountants etc. My assumption is this trading is SSTB activity, even though I don't provide any services?

     

    for purposes of QBI deduction under reg 1.199A-5

    an SSTB

    trading in securities, commodities, or partnership interests 

    dealing  - regularly purchasing securities, commodities, or partnership interests from selling such to customers or regularly offering to enter into, assume, offset, assign, or otherwise terminate such positions with customers

    financial services other than banking

      

     

     

    Q: Does it matter how this trade or is this trading without 475 election effect answer to  SSTB?

     

    I do own partnerships K1 entities. These are public traded pipeline partnerships and I am a passive investor so there is no overlap in terms of business.

     

     

    yes it matters. capital gains  are specifically excluded from QBI. see below. with 475 the election trading gains/losses are ordinary so included in QBI

     

    Q: Where on Tax return one has to check YES  regarding one’s  business activity is labelled as SSTB?

    when you come to the QBI section in schedule C there should be a checkbox for SSTB

     

    only check SSTB in the QBI section for those activities that are SSTB

    each PTP stands on its own so it's possible some of yours could be SSTBs 

    the PTP would probably include a statement in supplemental info if it was.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.199A-5 

     

    (B)Exceptions (NOT QBI)
    The following items shall not be taken into account as a qualified item of income, gain, deduction, or loss:
    (i)Any item of short-term capital gain, short-term capital loss, long-term capital gain, or long-term capital loss.
    (ii)Any dividend, income equivalent to a dividend, or payment in lieu of dividends described in section 954(c)(1)(G). Any amount described in section 1385(a)(1) shall not be treated as described in this clause.
    (iii)Any interest income other than interest income which is properly allocable to a trade or business.
    (iv)Any item of gain or loss described in subparagraph (C) or (D) of section 954(c)(1) (applied by substituting “qualified trade or business” for “controlled foreign corporation”).
    (v)Any item of income, gain, deduction, or loss taken into account under section 954(c)(1)(F) (determined without regard to clause (ii) thereof and other than items attributable to notional principal contracts entered into in transactions qualifying under section 1221(a)(7)).
    (vi)Any amount received from an annuity which is not received in connection with the trade or business.
    (vii)Any item of deduction or loss properly allocable to an amount described in any of the preceding clauses.

     

     

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    October 9, 2024
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    Mike9241Answer
    October 9, 2024

    Q: Most of examples shown by TT is for service part, such as lawyers, accountants etc. My assumption is this trading is SSTB activity, even though I don't provide any services?

     

    for purposes of QBI deduction under reg 1.199A-5

    an SSTB

    trading in securities, commodities, or partnership interests 

    dealing  - regularly purchasing securities, commodities, or partnership interests from selling such to customers or regularly offering to enter into, assume, offset, assign, or otherwise terminate such positions with customers

    financial services other than banking

      

     

     

    Q: Does it matter how this trade or is this trading without 475 election effect answer to  SSTB?

     

    I do own partnerships K1 entities. These are public traded pipeline partnerships and I am a passive investor so there is no overlap in terms of business.

     

     

    yes it matters. capital gains  are specifically excluded from QBI. see below. with 475 the election trading gains/losses are ordinary so included in QBI

     

    Q: Where on Tax return one has to check YES  regarding one’s  business activity is labelled as SSTB?

    when you come to the QBI section in schedule C there should be a checkbox for SSTB

     

    only check SSTB in the QBI section for those activities that are SSTB

    each PTP stands on its own so it's possible some of yours could be SSTBs 

    the PTP would probably include a statement in supplemental info if it was.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.199A-5 

     

    (B)Exceptions (NOT QBI)
    The following items shall not be taken into account as a qualified item of income, gain, deduction, or loss:
    (i)Any item of short-term capital gain, short-term capital loss, long-term capital gain, or long-term capital loss.
    (ii)Any dividend, income equivalent to a dividend, or payment in lieu of dividends described in section 954(c)(1)(G). Any amount described in section 1385(a)(1) shall not be treated as described in this clause.
    (iii)Any interest income other than interest income which is properly allocable to a trade or business.
    (iv)Any item of gain or loss described in subparagraph (C) or (D) of section 954(c)(1) (applied by substituting “qualified trade or business” for “controlled foreign corporation”).
    (v)Any item of income, gain, deduction, or loss taken into account under section 954(c)(1)(F) (determined without regard to clause (ii) thereof and other than items attributable to notional principal contracts entered into in transactions qualifying under section 1221(a)(7)).
    (vi)Any amount received from an annuity which is not received in connection with the trade or business.
    (vii)Any item of deduction or loss properly allocable to an amount described in any of the preceding clauses.

     

     

    sam992116Author
    October 9, 2024

    @Mike9241 @Anonymous_ 

     

    Thanks It was helpful.

     

    Regarding Partnership K1s

     

    Supplemental info has lots of Codes (mostly 20 something) and I read description of each code  and none of the say SSTB or trading.

    Q: For  Business activity within K1s to be labelled as SSTB, Is there a specific Code number or Box number in Supplemental info?

     

    I have already checked Yes to SSTB in QBI section within Sch C. Now in K1 interview there are 2 questions.

     

    First question is for K1 entity's business activity

    Q: Does K1 Entity Name receive income for Specified services (same examples shown as in sch C)?

    I answered NO, as I don't see anywhere on K1.

     

    2nd Question is for my own activities

    Q: In 2022, did you have any activities on your return that were classified as SSTB or had income attributable to SSTBs?  It is NOT asking for current or 2023 tax year.

    October 9, 2024

    it's possible that a PTP Could be a SSTB. i have not seen anything anywhere in the full k-1 package that says anything about SSTB but there are many PTPs and I've only seen a few of them. I would take the position that if they say nothing about it anywhere in the full K-1 package they're not. 

     

    also know that there are taxable income limitations based on your filing status. too high and no QBI deduction