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February 20, 2024
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Tax calculation question

  • February 20, 2024
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My mom files as a senior - married filing separately. For 2022 she filed with a W-2 around $64K and social security benefits around $ 5K -received a return of $980. Filing the same for 2023 W-2 around $59K and social security benefits around $20K plus – has to pay $1670. Other than the amounts nothing is different with her filing why she must pay this time can someone please explain the difference. I thought the standard deduction was increased. Did Turbotax calculate incorrectly by any chance?

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    Employee
    February 20, 2024

    Compare the returns line by line with particular attention to how much social security was taxed. 

    DawnC
    Employee
    February 20, 2024

    It sounds correct.   There is likely no withholding on her social security, and that is probably why she owes.   If she only had her social security income, none of it would be taxable, but since she is still working, more of her social security is being taxed.   If she is still working, she should submit a new W-4 to her employer and have more tax withheld, so this does not happen again.  

    How is social security taxed?  

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    CP01Author
    February 20, 2024

    Her W-4 has zero for withholdings don't think there is anything less than that unless I'm not aware of it please let me know if I'm missing something. 

    Employee
    February 20, 2024

    @CP01 She can change her W-4 to have more tax withheld -- she could even have a flat "extra" amount withheld from each paycheck if she wants to.

     

    https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/calculators/w4/ https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-withholding-estimator

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf

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    Employee
    February 20, 2024

    Your standard deduction lowers your taxable income. The standard deduction makes some of your income “tax free.”  It is not a refund.  You will see your standard or itemized deduction amount on line 12 of your 2023 Form 1040.

     

    2023 STANDARD DEDUCTION AMOUNTS

     

    SINGLE $13,850  (65 or older/legally blind + $1850)

     

    MARRIED FILING SEPARATELY $13,850  (65 or older/legally blind + $1500)

     

    MARRIED FILING JOINTLY $27,700  (65+/legally blind) )  + $1500 per spouse

     

    HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD  $20,800 (65 or older/blind)  + $1850)

     

     

    You mentioned that your mother files married filing separately.  Does she realize that more of her SS is taxable when she files that way?     AND there was a significant difference in the amount of taxable SS for 2023.    Look at lines 6a and 6b of her Form 1040 for 2022 and 2023.

     

     

    If you were legally married at the end of 2023 your filing choices are married filing jointly or married filing separately.

     

    Married Filing Jointly is usually better, even if one spouse had little or no income. When you file a joint return, you and your spouse will get the married filing jointly standard deduction of $27,700 (+$1500 for each spouse 65 or older)  You are eligible for more credits including education credits, earned income credit, child and dependent care credit, and a larger income limit to receive the child tax credit. 

     

    If you choose to file married filing separately, both spouses have to file the same way—either you both itemize or you both use standard deduction. Your tax rate will be higher than on a joint return.

     

     Some of the special rules for filing separately include: you cannot get earned income credit, education credits, adoption credits, or deductions for student loan interest. A higher percent of your Social Security benefits may be taxable. Your limit for SALT (state and local taxes and sales tax) will be only $5000 per spouse. In many cases you will not be able to take the child and dependent care credit. The amount you can contribute to a retirement account will be affected. If you live in a community property state, you will be required to provide additional information regarding your spouse’s income. ( Community property states:  AZ, CA, ID, LA, NV, NM, TX, WA, WI)

     

     If  you are using online TurboTax to prepare your returns, you will need to prepare two separate returns and pay twice since with online, you get one return per fee.

     

    https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1894449-married-filing-jointly-vs-married-filing-separately

    https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1901162-married-filing-separately-in-community-property-states

    https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1894449-is-it-better-for-a-married-couple-to-file-jointly-or-separately

     

     

     

     

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