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Do I use Schedule E for farm land rental and expenses or Form 4835 or both?

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    Best answer by Irene2805

     

    It depends on whether you receive cash payments or a share of the production as rent.  Use:

     

    • Schedule E, if you are receiving fixed cash payments for rent; OR
    • Form 4835, if you received a share of the production as rent.  

     


    Fixed cash payments


    Fixed cash payments count as rental income.  Enter the farm as a rental property, reported on Schedule E.   To do this, you need to be using the TurboTax Online Premier or Self-Employed editions, or one of the TurboTax desktop (CD/Download) products.

     

    1. Click on Federal Taxes > Wages & Income  [In TT Self-Employed:  Personal > Personal Income]. 
    2. Scroll down to the Rental Properties and Royalties section and click on the Start/Revisit box.  
    3. On the Income from Rentals or Royalty Property You Own screen click Yes.
    4. If you have already started adding information about your rental, you will come to the Rental and Royalty Summary screen.  Click on the Edit box next to the property.  Or you can click on the link Add Another Rental or Royalty.
    5. If you haven't entered any rental or royalty information you will see the screen, Is This a Rental Property or Royalty?  be sure to mark the radio button next to Rental Property.
    6. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information.

    In TurboTax Self-Employed (online) or Home & Business (desktop):

    1. Click on the Business tab > Continue > I'll choose what to work on
    2. On the Let’s gather your business info screen, in the Rental Properties and Royalties section, click the Start/Update button.
    3. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information.

     

    Share of Production

    If you received a share of the production as rent, then you would enter the farm as a "farm rental" in the Farm Income and Expenses section and it will be reported on Form 4835.  Please follow the steps listed below:

    1. Click on Federal Taxes > Wages & Income.
    2. In the Other Business Situations section, click on the Start/Revisit box next to Farm Income and Farm Rental.
    3. On the Tell Us About Your Farm or Farm Rental Income screen, mark the box I received a share of the production from my farm rental and click Continue.
    4. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information

    In TurboTax Self-Employed (online) or Home & Business (desktop):

    1. Click on the Business tab > Continue > I'll choose what to work on
    2. On the Let’s gather your business info screen, in the Farm Income and Expenses section, click the Start/Update button next to Farm Rental Income and Expenses
    3. On the screen, Tell Us About Your Farm or Farm Rental Income, mark the appropriate boxes concerning your farm rental. 
    4. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information.

    [Edited | 4/10/2020 |  10:56am PDT]



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    Irene2805Answer
    June 5, 2019

     

    It depends on whether you receive cash payments or a share of the production as rent.  Use:

     

    • Schedule E, if you are receiving fixed cash payments for rent; OR
    • Form 4835, if you received a share of the production as rent.  

     


    Fixed cash payments


    Fixed cash payments count as rental income.  Enter the farm as a rental property, reported on Schedule E.   To do this, you need to be using the TurboTax Online Premier or Self-Employed editions, or one of the TurboTax desktop (CD/Download) products.

     

    1. Click on Federal Taxes > Wages & Income  [In TT Self-Employed:  Personal > Personal Income]. 
    2. Scroll down to the Rental Properties and Royalties section and click on the Start/Revisit box.  
    3. On the Income from Rentals or Royalty Property You Own screen click Yes.
    4. If you have already started adding information about your rental, you will come to the Rental and Royalty Summary screen.  Click on the Edit box next to the property.  Or you can click on the link Add Another Rental or Royalty.
    5. If you haven't entered any rental or royalty information you will see the screen, Is This a Rental Property or Royalty?  be sure to mark the radio button next to Rental Property.
    6. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information.

    In TurboTax Self-Employed (online) or Home & Business (desktop):

    1. Click on the Business tab > Continue > I'll choose what to work on
    2. On the Let’s gather your business info screen, in the Rental Properties and Royalties section, click the Start/Update button.
    3. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information.

     

    Share of Production

    If you received a share of the production as rent, then you would enter the farm as a "farm rental" in the Farm Income and Expenses section and it will be reported on Form 4835.  Please follow the steps listed below:

    1. Click on Federal Taxes > Wages & Income.
    2. In the Other Business Situations section, click on the Start/Revisit box next to Farm Income and Farm Rental.
    3. On the Tell Us About Your Farm or Farm Rental Income screen, mark the box I received a share of the production from my farm rental and click Continue.
    4. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information

    In TurboTax Self-Employed (online) or Home & Business (desktop):

    1. Click on the Business tab > Continue > I'll choose what to work on
    2. On the Let’s gather your business info screen, in the Farm Income and Expenses section, click the Start/Update button next to Farm Rental Income and Expenses
    3. On the screen, Tell Us About Your Farm or Farm Rental Income, mark the appropriate boxes concerning your farm rental. 
    4. Continue through the screens, entering the requested information.

    [Edited | 4/10/2020 |  10:56am PDT]



    February 16, 2020

    Great answer...thanks...but now the information that I entered on Farm Rental doesn't want to delete when I changed it to a rental property entry. How do you delete an entry that won't go away???? 

    January 31, 2022

    Thank you to Irene S. for providing enough information to answer my question.  I received fixed annual payments for farm land rental, so will report as simple rental property.   However, my understand is that the first part of Irene's answer below is misleading, which she clarifies in the next sentence.  This is because it's not whether you received cash payments or a share of the production, but whether it is a "fixed cash" payment that does not vary by the amount of production.  A share of the production can be in cash or actual ownership of share crop to sell.   If anybody thinks I'm wrong on this, PLEASE let us all know.

    Irene's answer: "It depends on whether you receive cash payments or a share of the production as rent.  Use:
    Schedule E, if you are receiving fixed cash payments for rent; OR Form 4835, if you received a share of the production as rent. " 

    ColeenD3
    January 31, 2022

    She is correct. This is at the top of Form 4835:

     

    Farm Rental Income and Expenses (Crop and Livestock Shares (Not Cash) Received by Landowner (or Sub-Lessor))

    @hydejohnm