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I own a few rental properties, should i use schedule C or schedule E? what are the advantages/disavantages of both?

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Best answer by ChelsiE2

Generally, Schedule E should be used to report rental income/loss.  

According to the IRS: "Generally, Schedule C is used when you provide substantial services [i.e. hotel like services] in conjunction with the property or the rental is part of a trade or business as a real estate dealer."

Schedule C: 

  • Advantage:  Losses reported on a Schedule C are not limited by the Passive Activity Loss Rules.  
  • Disadvantage: Income on Schedule C is subject to Self Employment Taxes.

Schedule E: 

If you file a Schedule E, you may be able to deduct up to $25,000 of losses from a Schedule E if you Actively Participate in the rentals.  The IRS defines Active Participation as: 

Active participation:  You actively participated in a rental real estate activity if you (and your spouse) owned at least 10% of the rental property and you made management decisions or arranged for others to provide services (such as repairs) in a significant and bona fide sense. Management decisions that may count as active participation include approving new tenants, deciding on rental terms, approving expenditures, and other similar decisions.

For more information please see: IRS Publication 527

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ChelsiE2Answer
Employee
June 5, 2019

Generally, Schedule E should be used to report rental income/loss.  

According to the IRS: "Generally, Schedule C is used when you provide substantial services [i.e. hotel like services] in conjunction with the property or the rental is part of a trade or business as a real estate dealer."

Schedule C: 

  • Advantage:  Losses reported on a Schedule C are not limited by the Passive Activity Loss Rules.  
  • Disadvantage: Income on Schedule C is subject to Self Employment Taxes.

Schedule E: 

If you file a Schedule E, you may be able to deduct up to $25,000 of losses from a Schedule E if you Actively Participate in the rentals.  The IRS defines Active Participation as: 

Active participation:  You actively participated in a rental real estate activity if you (and your spouse) owned at least 10% of the rental property and you made management decisions or arranged for others to provide services (such as repairs) in a significant and bona fide sense. Management decisions that may count as active participation include approving new tenants, deciding on rental terms, approving expenditures, and other similar decisions.

For more information please see: IRS Publication 527

March 14, 2020

I own a single-family home that I rent out. I consider it a passive activity -- although I make the management decisions, I spend less than 750 hours a year managing this property. This rental activity generates a few thousand dollars in profit after property taxes, insurance, and depreciation. Last year I purchased a small computer to track expenses on for this rental property and want to depreciate it as a Section 179 expense.

 

But because I had a small (less than $400) loss on another small business I own and that I report on Schedule C, the Turbotax software says that I cannot write off the computer on Schedule E because of the loss on Schedule C. Does anyone know if that is correct? Thank you.

 

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Carl11_2
Employee
March 15, 2020

Residential Rental Real Estate is reported on SCH E 99.999999999999% of the time. If you only own 1-3 rental properties and report it on SCH C, you can fully expect to be audited on it 24-36 months after you file. While its not impossible for residential rental property to qualify as a SCH C business, it is uncommon enough to practically guarantee an audit, unless your tax return shows that rental income is your *PRIMARY SOURCE* of income and you have enough rentals that generate enough income for you to support yourself (and family if married) for the tax year.

Being that this is obviously your first time dealing with rental property, or first time dealing with it in the TurboTax program, the below information provides clarity that (in my personal opinion) the program does not.

When dealing with rentals, absolute perfection in that first year of tax reporting is not an option. It's a must. Even the tiniest of mistakes will grow exponentially over time. THen when you catch the error years down the road, the cost of fixing it will be expensive. So if you have questions or need further clarity, please ask. The only stupid question is the one you didn't ask. It's not like you learn this stuff through osmosis.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.

March 21, 2020

Hi.

I own ONE rental property since 2018.  We corporately rented the property fully furnished.  We did not provide cleaning, but all exterior maintenance (like mowing, etc) and pest control was furnished by us.

For my 2018 taxes, I used Schedule C to report my RENTAL income.  I also have a part time job and my husband has a full time job.

After reading the above entries, should I AMEND my 2018 Tax Return to use Schedule E rather than Schedule C?

Thanks.

CJP

March 22, 2020

Yes, if you did not provide significant services related to the rental, you may have passive loss limitations- you will want to amend 2018 and use the Schedule E going forward.  

@texasclerkgirl

February 8, 2021

I own 1 rental property and it is used to provide 100% of my income. The business is registered as a legal business in my city and state and I file quarterly income taxes with the state and of course, federal taxes in April.

I do not provide daily "hotel service".

This year do I use a  Schedule E, as I have been for the past 6 years, or can I change to Schedule C so lenders will be able to process my PPP loan application?

I've applied for several PPP loans from different lenders, but they all ask for my Schedule C, which I cannot provide. I send them my Schedule E, but they just reply back to me to submit a Schedule C instead.

I know that Short Term Rental businesses are allowed to receive a PPP loan, but how can I get it if I don't have a Schedule C ?

Thanks

February 8, 2021

Unless you provide "services" (such as maid service or meals) to the tenants, it goes on Schedule E.  You can't choose to put it on Schedule C just to apply for a loan (that would be loan fraud).

February 8, 2021

Thank you for your reply, @AmeliesUncle I figured that would be the answer, but I just thought I'd try.

I know several hosts who had their taxes changed to Schedule C, to get the PPP loan, then amended them back to Schedule E. That just seemed unethical (and scary) to me, so I just gave up on the PPP loan.

 

It's a pity the SBA doesn't change their forms to allow for Schedule E.

 

So tired of STR's businesses being treated as the "red haired step child". I work my a** off, 7 days a week, 15 hours a day (and I'm paid well for it,) I employ several employees, but no one considers my business a "legitimate" business... Ok, rant over. lol

 

May 4, 2021

Do the same Schedule E vs. Schedule C rules apply if you don't own the rental property? Properties are on lease to own arrangement, but are rented out and generating income. Can I report on Schedule E and just dont report depreciation expense? Or is it more appropriate on a Schedule C?

Critter-3
May 4, 2021

Depreciation is NOT  optional on either form... it is a requirement.     A rent to own belongs on a Sch E  unless you are in the business of doing rent to own properties.  

May 4, 2021

But I can claim depreciation on a property that isn't owned?

August 21, 2021

Check the irs.gov for the definition of a "Real Estate Professional".  If you meet the criteria then your rental real estate activities are a business not "rental activity".  There may be some advantages to you using a Schedule C (you can set up a Individual 401k, deduct all office expense etc., deduct depreciation as active vs. passive loss) but the criteria is very specific and expect an audit so you put ducks in a row ahead of time.    

Employee
August 21, 2021

@jeanwangard wrote:

Check the irs.gov for the definition of a "Real Estate Professional".  If you meet the criteria then your rental real estate activities are a business not "rental activity".  There may be some advantages to you using a Schedule C......


If a taxpayer qualifies as a "Real Estate Professional", the taxpayer is still required to materially participate in the rental activities.

 

Further, the taxpayer, as a real estate professional, would not report on Schedule C unless the taxpayer provides substantial services to renters or is a real estate dealer. 

 

Real estate professional status plus material participation merely transforms passive losses from rental activities into nonpassive losses.

February 1, 2022

I have a vacation condo.   I stayed there 84 days.  I rented it 133 days.   This made the income to not be considered passive income due to my length of stays there.  I have a loss. I do not materially participate in running the condo.   A property management company does that.  I thought that I should use Schedule E for Vacation Home Rentals.  However, TurboTax agents stated that I should put it on a Schedule C as a business.  Is this correct?  This would mean that losses can be claimed in the current year against other nonpassive income and future profit may be subject to self-employment tax.  Is Schedule C the correct way to report this?

Critter-3
February 1, 2022

Unless you run the property as a B&B that you work yourself  the vacation rental always goes on the Sch E. 

February 1, 2022

Turbotax will not let there be a loss carryforward for this non-passive activity rental of my "home condo".  Is there a certain box that I need to mark so that it calculates correctly?