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March 14, 2021
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I purchased rental property in Dec but only started to rent out in Jan. How can I deduct cost/lose?

  • March 14, 2021
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In 2020 I only have cost (closing cost + others), no income for this property. However when I entered all cost, it shows as lose but I cannot deduct any tax. How can I deduct tax from this lose? 

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    ColeenD3
    March 14, 2021

    Unless you were actively seeking to rent in December 2020, you can't take any expenses. Closing costs are added to the basis of the property, they are not deductible.

     

    However, you can reduce the selling price of the rental property by the amount of the sales expenses, including the realtor fees. Doing this will either reduce your capital gains or increase your loss on the property, depending on your individual circumstance- either way it may reduce the amount of taxes to be paid on the sale. TurboTax will make these calculations for you, you just need to enter the data.

     

    Sales Expenses for selling your property include:

    • Sales commissions
    • Advertising Expenses
    • Legal Fees
    • Broker Fees
    • Transfer taxes

     

     

    WenfangAuthor
    March 14, 2021

    I did actively looking for tenant and had cost associated with it. but the lease starts in Jan. Can I report all relevant cost as 2021 instead of 2020 for next year's reporting? Or, can I carry 2020 lost to 2021 when I report 2021 tax? 

    Carl11_2
    Employee
    March 14, 2021

    If the property was not "available for rent" (meaning it was move in ready) on or before Dec 31 of the tax year, then you have nothing concerning this property to report on SCH E on your 2020 tax return.  The only things you can deduct on your 2020 tax return are SCH A itemized deductions. Those two items would be property taxes and mortgage interest. That's it.

    Most likely, you did not receive a 1098-Mortgage Interest Statement for 2020, because my bet is, your first mortgage payment was not due until "AFTER" Dec 31, 2020. So your SCH A deductions of mortgage interest and any property taxes you paid at the closing, will be on your closing statement only.

    I would suggest you bookmark this thread for next year, so you can refer to it when asking for help completing your first SCH E on this property for your 2021 tax return; which you will not deal with until next year.

     

    WenfangAuthor
    March 14, 2021

    I actually received 1098 for partial Dec interest payment. Also the house was available for rent in Dec. so what should be my best option here? can I hold on all cost (other than closing cost for depreciation) to 2021 tax reporting instead? 

    Carl11_2
    Employee
    March 14, 2021

    If the house was in fact available for rent in Dec, then you can go ahead and report it on SCH E. Some things to point out though.

    - Number of days rented "MUST" be at least one day. If you enter ZERO for days rented, you will be "forced" to delete the SCH E.

    - Rental income "MUST" have a digit in it. Even if that digit is a round circle ZERO. You just can't leave it blank.

    - Yes, it is perfectly possible and feasible to have a property rented for one day in a tax year (dec 31) and still have zero income for that tax year. Zero income is exactly what it would be, if the renter did not pay the rent until Jan 1st, right?

    Finally, note that when completing the SCH E for the very first time in that very first year for a rental property, absolute and total perfection is not an option. It's a "MUST". Even the tiniest of mistakes will grow exponentially as the years pass. Then when you catch your error years down the road, if the IRS doesn't catch it first, the cost of fixing it will be high. So ask questions when you're not sure. The only dumb question is the one you never asked. It's not like you learn this stuff through osmosis. I most certainly didn't.

    The below information is provided to you, because in my personal opinion (and we all know what opinions are like.) the program does not provide you clarity on some things, that I think it should and would like it to. So I do my best to provide you that clarity here. But even so, if you have questions please ask... or forever lose your wealth to the IRS.

    Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

    Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence or 2nd home before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out, or the date you decided to lease the property – whichever is later.
    In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
    Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day for any type of personal pleasure use during said period of vacancy.
    Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence, 2nd home, or any other personal use reasons after you converted it to a rental.
    Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

    RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

    Property Improvement.

    Property improvements are expenses you incur that “better” the property. Basically, they retain or add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

    To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

    1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

    2) The improvement must retain or add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

    There are rules that allow you to just flat-out expense and deduct some property improvements, if the total cost of the improvement was less than $2,500. It’s referred to as “safe harbor di-minimis” But depending on the specific situation, this may or may not be beneficial. Just be aware that not every property improvement that cost less than $2,500 qualifies for this. If this interest you, the rules can get complex. So a good place to start reading is on the IRS website at https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tangible-property-final-regulations. The stuff on di-minimis starts about one page down.

    Cleaning & Maintenance

    Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

    Repair

    Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

    Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

    However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.