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Employee
March 16, 2023
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Need clarifications: Section 162 for rental properties to get QBI deduction

  • March 16, 2023
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I have read section 162, but I am still not sure how to use Section 162 to define the rental property as a business so that it could receive QBI deduction. What is the criteria defined in Section 162 of  rental properties to be qualified as business?

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    Employee
    March 16, 2023

    You want Section 199A, not Section 162.

     

    See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/199A

     

     

    There is also a safe harbor:

     

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-19-38.pdf

    manbeingAuthor
    Employee
    March 16, 2023

    I don't meet the safe harbor criteria. This is from Form 8995a 

     

    "Rental real estate that doesn’t meet the
    requirements of the safe harbor may still be
    treated as a trade or business for purposes
    of the QBI deduction if it is a section 162
    trade or business
    "

    Employee
    March 16, 2023

    Generally, in order to qualify as an active trade or business, the owner needs to provide substantial services to the renters (much like a hotel, motel, or bed and breakfast) or rent real estate in the course of being a real estate dealer.

    March 16, 2023

    162 does not define businesses eligible for the QBI deduction - rather the tests come from court cases and other IRS pronouncements,

    the safe harbor rule 

     

    If a taxpayer’s rental real estate activity meets the safe harbor, then it will be treated as a trade or business for purposes of 199A.  

    The safe harbor sets out requirements that must be met, and includes several exclusions and caveats

    The Safe Harbor – Specific Requirements

    1. Separate books and records must be maintained to reflect income and expenses for each rental real estate enterprise (“RREE”).
    2. At least 250 hours of rental services must be performed each year with respect to each RREE.
    3. The taxpayer must maintain contemporaneous records, including time reports, logs, or similar documents, regarding the following: (i) hours of all services performed; (ii) description of all services performed; (iii) dates on which such services were performed; and (iv) who performed the services.  Such records must be made available for inspection at the request of the IRS.

    Books-and-Records Requirement.

    The safe harbor also contains rules that permit a taxpayer to aggregate separate properties and treat them as a single RREE .

    250-Hour Requirement.

    Each RREE must satisfy the 250-hour requirement. Specifically, rental services include:

    • advertising to rent or lease the real estate;
    • negotiating and executing leases;
    • verifying information contained in prospective tenant applications;
    • collection of rent;
    • daily operation, maintenance, and repair of the property, including the purchase of materials and supplies;
    • management of the real estate; and
    • supervision of employees and independent contractors.

    Moreover, rental services can be performed by owners, employees, agents, and/or independent contractors of the owners. Accordingly, it will become very important that vendors who perform services that could be counted towards the 250-hour requirement provide documentation.

    The above list does not purport to be exhaustive. Specifically excluded are the following activities:  financial or investment management activities, such as arranging financing; procuring property; studying and reviewing financial statements or reports on operations; improving property under §1.263(a)-3(d); and hours spent traveling to and from the real estate.

     

     

    here's a link to the regs

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/td-reg-107892-18.pdf 

    which are wishy-washy as to whether the rental real estate qualifies if the safe harbor rules aren't met.  See section 3. in effect, if you don't meet the safe harbor rules, it is a judgment call.

    here's the subpart I think is important (page 16)

    In determining whether a rental real estate activity is a section 162 trade or
    business, relevant factors might include, but are not limited to (i) the type of rented
    property (commercial real property versus residential property), (ii) the number of
    properties rented, (iii) the owner’s or the owner’s agents day-to-day involvement, (iv) the
    types and significance of any ancillary services provided under the lease, and (v) the
    terms of the lease (for example, a net lease versus a traditional lease and a short-term
    lease versus a long-term lease).
    Providing bright line rules on whether a rental real estate activity is a section 162
    trade or business for purposes of section 199A is beyond the scope of these
    regulations. Additionally, the Treasury Department and the IRS decline to adopt a
    position deeming all rental real estate activity to be a trade or business for purposes of
    section 199A.

     

     

    Employee
    March 16, 2023

    @Mike9241 wrote:

    .....in effect, if you don't meet the safe harbor rules, it is a judgment call.


    It is almost silly since if an owner can meet the criteria listed, the owner can almost certainly meet the requirements set forth in the safe harbor.

    March 16, 2023

    Unfortunately, there is no clear-cut definition of a Section 162 "trade or business".

     

    For purposes of the Qualified Business Deduction, (Section 199A), personally, I use the "Safe Harbor" (which includes the 250 hour requirement) as a guideline for what the IRS thinks is a "Trade or Business".

     

    The IRS says that 250 hours (and other requirements" is "Safe".  How far away are you from 250 hours?  While less than 250 hours CAN qualify as a Section 162 business, in my opinion, the farther you are away from 250 hours, the less likely the IRS will think it is a "Trade or Business".  So if you are at 200 hours, maybe/probably.  If you are 150 hours, maybe???  But if you are at 50 hours (or less), do you really think the IRS would think it is a "Trade or Business"?

    Employee
    March 16, 2023

    @AmeliesUncle wrote:

    ....While less than 250 hours CAN qualify as a Section 162 business, in my opinion, the farther you are away from 250 hours, the less likely the IRS will think it is a "Trade or Business".  So if you are at 200 hours, maybe/probably.  If you are 150 hours, maybe???......


    Now, I have a question. Why would the IRS go through the trouble of researching and publishing a minimum hour requirement and incorporate that minimum into a safe harbor if a scenario existed where fewer hours would qualify? Following that line of reasoning, the IRS could easily have made the safe harbor 150 hours, or 100 hours, or 4 hours. 

     

    Maybe we should note that the safe harbor is applicable to a rental real estate enterprise and whether or not that activity would be treated as a trade or business, not some other activity.

    March 16, 2023

    @Anonymous_ wrote:


    Now, I have a question. Why would the IRS go through the trouble of researching and publishing a minimum hour requirement and incorporate that minimum into a safe harbor if a scenario existed where fewer hours would qualify? Following that line of reasoning, the IRS could easily have made the safe harbor 150 hours, or 100 hours, or 4 hours. 


     

    So many things are subject to facts-and-circumstances, and are subject to personal interpretation.  That is why the IRS sometimes has a "Safe Harbor", to indicate they WON'T question something due to facts-and-circumstances if they meet certain criteria.

     

    For example, let's consider the Reduced Maximum Exclusion for a Principal Residence in Regulation §1.121-3.  If you look at (b), there is list of six things that could be subject to interpretation based on the specific facts-and-circumstances.  But that is why the IRS/Treasury gives the "Safe Harbor" situations (or example, a job change that is 50 miles further) so you don't need to 'think' about and question whether it qualifies or not.  But if the taxpayer does not meet the "Safe Harbor" (such as the 50 mile job-change test), then they need to interpret whether it qualifies based on the six criteria.

     

    Similarly, the "Safe Harbor" for the QBI deduction is so you don't need to 'interpret' anything - it is a given.  But if you don't meet the Safe Harbor test, you need to closely analyze the situation based on the facts-and-circumstances.  And perhaps your analysis of the situation may different from another person, or the IRS.  So that is why the IRS gives "Safe Harbors", so there are fewer 'arguments' if the specific facts-and-circumstances qualify or not.