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I have entered my 1099-Q and 1098-T. The entire distribution on the 1099-Q was for graduate school tuition. However, in the 1099-Q Summary line 18 it is coming up with a value that I believe is wrong. Nowhere can I find how it came up with this number. Looking at the previous year the amount for both 16 & 18 are the same. This year it is using coming up with a portion of the distribution as non-taxable (line 19) so line 20 has a taxable amount. This is wrong. The entire amount should be non-table and then $0 should flow to the 1040. I have checked and double checked my entries for the 1098-T and 1099-Q. Is this user error, if so, please help me figure out what I may be doing wrong. 

Thanks 

    Best answer by KrisD15

    I'm glad you mentioned that. I was just going to research that path. Since this was graduate school, can I deduct a portion of my room & board? If so, how do I calculate what is allowable?

     

    Does the fact that OR is taxing me on the income portion of the QTP and NOT giving a credit seem correct to you? Maybe this goes away if I claim the room & board! 


    You can look at pub 970 page 40 for allowable additional expenses and room and board. 

     

    Enter Form 1099-Q, then Form 1098-T in the Education Section under deductions & Credits

    Continue through the interview

    the program will ask about additional expenses including Room and Board.

     

    According to IRS Pub 970 page 40

    "Expenses for room and board must be incurred by students who are enrolled at least half-time (defined below). The expense for room and board qualifies only to the extent that it isn't more than the greater of the following two amounts.

    a. The allowance for room and board, as determined by the school, that was included in the cost of attendance (for federal financial aid purposes) for a particular academic period and living arrangement of the student.

    b. The actual amount charged if the student is residing in housing owned or operated by the school.

    You may need to contact the eligible educational institution for qualified room and board costs."

     

     

    "Does the fact that OR is taxing me on the income portion of the QTP and NOT giving a credit seem correct to you? Maybe this goes away if I claim the room & board! "

     

    OR? is that Oregon? 

    How claiming taxable distributions affects the state depends on the state and it's true that you might owe state tax on the distribution. 

    Yes, that will change if you report room and board. 

    The lifetime learning credit is applied after the federal Adjusted Gross Income, and Oregon starts with federal Adjusted Gross income, so you are correct, that credit will not be reflected in the income transferred to the state return. 

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    KrisD15
    March 19, 2025

    Are you getting an education credit on 1040 line 29 or Schedule 3 line 3?

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    SteveW62Author
    March 19, 2025

    Yes, I sched 3 line 3 has $2,000. Line 29 of the 1040 is $0.

     

    I have a form 8863 Education Credits form part 2 filled out. Line 19 is $2,000. Line 31 of Part 3, Lifetime learning Credit is $10K.

     

    Form 1099-Q line

    16: 12,699

    17: 9,268

    18; 2,702  Where does this come from?

    19: 1,972 Where does this come from?

    20: 7,296 

    23: 7,296

     

    Form 1040 line 8

    $7,296

     

    This is my first year in graduate school. Am I eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit? Is taking this somehow causing my 529 distribution to be counted as income?

    Thx for the help.

    SteveW62Author
    March 19, 2025

    Thinking about this a little more, it seems like TT is reversing the portion of the QTP that should be taxable and non-taxable. The gross QTP is $12,699 with $9,268 earnings. All of this should be tax free. However, with the LLC of $2,000, up to $2000 of the $9,268 would be double dipping. Therefore, the portion of the $2,000 that is double dipping, perhaps that is the $1,972, should be the amount on line 20 & 23. Can I assume that if I tell TT to not take the LLC, then I will get the entire $9,268 earnings tax free? Taking the LLC should reduce my non-taxable earnings by the equivalent amount so either way should have the same tax due. They effectively are one and the same. This does not appear to be the way TT is calculating this.

    From what I am experiencing, there is a mathematical issue in TT in filing out 1099-Q Summary AND a logic bug in the wizard for figuring out the optimal education claiming strategy. If taking the LLC generates a larger tax bill than not taking the LLC, the wizard should not go down this path. Also, the wizard should explain why the entire earnings portion of the QTP is not being allowed.